Tuesday, October 29, 2013

The Circumcision of Christ: Why we can say we "are saved".


The Circumcision of Christ:


Note! If you are reading this after the Rapture of the Church then this is no longer in effect. 




In the above chart you see the body of a Believer in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you zoom in you'll see that this body has a dark line and a red line outlining and paralleling each other. The Red line is inside the Dark line because the Red line represents the soul of the believer - the part we can't see with our eyes; but the Dark line is the body - the part we can see with our eyes.

When we say Believer, it must be pointed out what we mean by that for this world is a battle-ground for words such as this. A Believer believes that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh ...

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
And, to provide an example of what I was saying about the battle zone; you should look up this verse in the new Bibles (you know, the ones that the Madison Ave execs are hired to sell you) and you'll see that they've taken "God" out in this verse. Why do they do that? Oh, they claim 'because its not in the oldest and the bestest' (sick). But whom do you think wants God out of a verse like that?

Who could it be?

The text for the above chart comes from a little known passage of this day. Its found in Col 2:

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

What Was Circumcision?



We need to go back now to a type in the Old Testament which was given to Abraham. Abraham is said to be the father of circumcision in ...

Ro 4:9 ¶ Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Here we see a Biblical pattern for things later to come ...

Ro 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Just as God has showed us His nature in ... nature; so too does He show us the spiritual truth by giving us a pattern in the Old Testament which is revealed to us in the New Testament.  As Peter put it ...

2Pe 1:19 ¶ We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

So then the circumcision that was given to Abraham was a type that matches how the Believer is saved.

How was it a type?


  1. In that faith was first and then the circumcision took place. Exactly as in the NT Circumcision of Christ. 
  2. It separated those that were and those that were not. 
  3. It was visible but not seen! ie - you couldn't tell just by looking at someone in a public forum who was and who was not. This is similar to standing next to someone in church who is not born again but yet who can fake it. You can't see who is born again! 
  4. It was done on the 8th day to symbolize a new creature (8 is the number of new beginnings) as it is the seal of a new creature in Christ!

Are Ye Saved!


What this means is that when the body sins (and its "when" not "if") that sin is separated by the Holy Ghost -- who baptizes you the moment you believe with the Blood of Jesus Christ!

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
It not only cleans us the moment we believe but it puts at bay, any future sin by putting the Holy Ghost (remember, that a Ghost is a Spirit in a bodily form) in-between our soul and our body (Adamic). It therefore is the literal fulfillment of ...

Ps 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Furthermore, this is the whole reason Paul can say to the Ephesians while he's in jail at Rome ...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

How is that Paul can say with confidence to the saints at Ephesus that they "are saved" when, if they could lose so great a salvation, he couldn't say that.
And here we go again: Do you know what the new Bibles say here?


(CEV)  You were saved by faith in God, ... 
No, this one's way off. You're not saved by faith - you're saved by Grace!  And its not "were" its "are"!!!  This is exactly what I'm hearing on the internet today:

(ISV)  For by such grace you have been saved through faith.
(NIV) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith
(NKJV)  For by grace you have been saved through faith, 

Those are some of the most popular Bibles in today's Apostate Churches. The ISV is even given a stamp of approval by Chuck Missler, one of the most popular teachers today.  These are all making salvation a past tense, uncomfortable kind of thing, and not a perfect present tense joy!!!  

No wonder the kids are acting the way they are today. They weren't brought up reading the King James (and neither was I but I didn't read the Bible at all) and know intrinsically that they are saved


You see how we can say that we are saved? We don't have a moment to moment state of salvation - we have one that is as Eternal as Jesus Christ!


The Earnest of the Spirit

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

God has sealed us against even our own flesh. We can not even hurt ourselves no matter how often, much or desire to sin. God has given us a foolproof way to be saved, both at the time of our deliverance and at the time we await to be translated unto Him ...

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
 56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.






Friday, October 25, 2013

A Conversation With A "Loser"

How you can but they can't "lose" salvation.

Every once in a while I get a "loser" to talk to me. He is so sure that we can lose so great a salvation that he really paints himself into a corner.

I re-post this as an example of how to lead a "loser" to damnation:



Once saved - always saved?

Does it really depend on which Bible you use?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; ...See More
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  • Fred B. Banner Jr How many times must Christ be crucified? How many times must ye be born again? When Jesus saved me it was for all eternity. It is finished.
  • Joe Nie What else would "saved" mean?
  • Fred B. Banner Jr Saved means saved just like grace means grace, gift means gift, eternal means eternal, it is finished means it is finished.
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  • Dave Person No,it is not once saved always saved! You can accept Jesus Christ and then turn away and fall back into sin....
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  • Dave Person Grace means favor! Jesus died once and for all sin, this means it is finished! Some would have you believe that once you get saved, you can live however you want,this is untrue. ...
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  • Joe Nie Grace, defined by Paul, who was given the revelation of the Dispensation of Grace, is defined in Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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  • Fred B. Banner Jr Dave. A person who is born again can fall back in sin, but can't stay there. Eternal security is not a license to sin. That would be a profession of faith. The Bible says "ye must be born again", not utter a profession of faith. Someone who is born again and washed in the blood is secure football eternity
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  • Dave Person Yes! Grace is the favor Of God!
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  • Dave Person Jesus said in that day, people will say, Lord,did we not prophesy in your name,cast out demons,heal the sick,work miracles in your name? Jesus said,depart from me...without PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, you will not make it to heaven. ...One must be born agai...See More
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  • Joe Nie Yeah well, it does say "in that day" when do you think that day is?
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  • Dave Person Today!! You just can't live in sin and expect to enter into heaven, it doesn't wrk that way!
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  • Joe Nie Well, what about the sin of false witness? Didn't you just tell me that "that day" was today?!! I don't see Jesus casting people into hell today. Did you just lose it?
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  • Dave Person Today is the day to repent and turn Jesus is wat i said! I am no false witness nor deceiver
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  • Joe Nie No, you didn't say that. We have what you said. Its on record! Turn to Jesus for what? If you can lose it what is the point? Is that the Good News of Losing your salvation?
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  • Dave Person To tell people once saved always saved is telling people that if u get saved u can live however you want! That is a lie!
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  • Joe Nie Well, let's just deal with what just happened. Did you just lose it for bearing false witness?
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  • Dave Person Wat r u tlkn bout, u r givin false hope
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  • Joe Nie No, I don't preach the Good News of Losing your Salvation. You do. Don't you realize there are those who do not get saved and accept Jesus' blood shed on the cross of Calvary as full payment for their sins because there are fools out there demanding that they live their life completely sinless after that or else they'll lose it?
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  • Joe Nie If you believe that you can lose it - certainly you just sinned by bearing false witness - and yet you didn't. In a real life test you don't believe what you preach.
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  • Dave Person I repent daily, of course you sin, we do things we dnt wanna do without intent! But you cannot live continuesly in sin as a lifestyle without repentance! We are to imitate Christ, live holy, and in love! But,without a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will not enter heaven!
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  • Joe Nie And where is that verse that you're referring to and that you base everyone's salvation on? How did you gain your salvation back?
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  • Joe Nie And, when you do things like you just did in ignorance how do you even repent of that?
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  • Joe Nie Tell us Dave, but ... be careful
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  • Fred B. Banner Jr But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:26-29 KJV)
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  • Fred B. Banner Jr Dave. You posted "I repent daily, of course you sin, we do things we dnt wanna do without intent! But you cannot live continuesly in sin as a lifestyle without repentance! We are to imitate Christ, live holy, and in love! But,without a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will not enter heaven!" A person who lives continually in sin without repentance is not really saved. They are merely religious. Moreover the Word of God teaches eternal security. The teaching that a born again person can loose what God freely gave them, something they didn't deserve to begin with is heretical
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  • Joe Nie Well, I know people that are just as saved by grace as I am and they lead sinful lives. What do I think of that? They're fools for giving up the inheritance that they hold jointly with Christ. When they get in front of the Judgment Seat of Christ they will have lost all that Christ wanted to give them. Its like the Prodigal Son who spent all his inheritance on riotous living. He was never not a son but he did waste his inheritance which is a perfect picture of what we are in Jesus Christ - a son of God.
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  • Joe Nie And 2) Believe it or not, I admire their faith in the word of God that they will not lose their salvation. Maybe one day they'll straighten out but think of all the years they have lost, the family that they could have had, the respect of those who have called them brethren. What about all that? Isn't that enough loss?
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  • Joe Nie And dare I go on and ask what of those that are "living right" for the sake of "keeping it"? Won't they suffer loss also because of their lack of faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ? If all of what they've done is to "keep it" what of their rewards? Will they lose all of that because they've done everything for the wrong reason?
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  • Sandy Johnson Anyone who believes that God is not powerful enough to "KEEP" us "saved" after HE did it....doesn't have I very high opinion of Gods sovereignty.
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  • Joe Nie I guess they don't understand the baptism of the Holy Ghost in Col 2. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 
    Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 
    Col 2:11 In whom also ye
     are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 
    Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 
    Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
    Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
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  • Joe Nie I could become nasty and say that since they're working for something that they can't work for they were probably never saved to begin with but I also know people that are just as saved by grace as I am that believe that you (not them) can lose it. It doesn't mean that they were never saved, it just means that they're deceived, that's all.
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  • Alma Alsip Before I got saved I had been taught you could lose your salvation, so I didn't ask for it, because I knew I could not live without sin and I would lose, so why bother. But our merciful God brought me to a place where I surrendered and vowed to do the best I could to keep it. He led me to Mt. Hope Baptist Church where I heard you could not lose it, I thought Uh OH. But through the preaching, prayer and reading my Bible I knew I was eternally secure, and very thankful. I pray daily to die to self and not to grieve the Holy Spirit of God, or shame my Saviour. I want to please Him as do most Christians I know, sin makes me cringe and I shun it. The Holy Spirit convicts me if I do sin, and the Lord forgives me as soon as I repent. He knows my heart, and that's what He wants.
  • Joe Nie Yeah Alma, I wouldn't ask for it if I thought I'd just lose it again. And so many go to their deathbeds, if they get to, and either get saved then or ... not. But what a wasted life because of bad doctrine.